!The great “run your car on water” scam”:
http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho.shtml

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/hho_challenge.shtml

0 applicants so far! why? BECAUSE IS A SCAM!

Thanks for your comment, very interesting to hear that NZ TV has done a test on it, you don’t recall the name of the show or anything do you?

I have just seen an advert on Facebook trying to sell me this shit - I am about to email them to let them know it is a fraud……… there is a shop on ebay selling it…….. this page is getting tones of hits at the moment too….. and loads of people have asked me about this “technology”……. people are clearly being conned by these people at the moment….

What can one do?

Jon.

There was a clip on national TV here in New Zealand about someone who had fitted one of these cons and run it for 3 months. His opening comment was that it had saved him nothing in the way of fuel and he had noted no change in performance.

Why do people continue to think they can get something for nothing?

Here are a few details for Mr PHil to ponder.

- The alternator on your car consumes energy from the engine in proportion to the electrical load on it.
- Car alternators are usually 50 -60 % efficient.
- If you are running 15 amps thru this bottle of water your engine needs to generate at least 1/2 of a HP to run the alternator.
- Your car engine is less than 50% efficient.
- Hydrogen has only slightly more chemical energy per kg than petrol.

do the calculation …………

Russell

Yes it all sounds too good to be true. However, there will always be all sorts of counter arguements to how it might work. Without some sort of evidence of a reputable body having tried it and proving it nonsense, people will still want to believe it true. Like they say, actions speak louder then words.

Mal

You are confusing several things, comparing apples with oranges.
The bottom line is as follows:

Remember energy is neither created or destroyed, it takes energy to separate the water into H and O, this energy comes from somewhere, your vehicles electrical system which ultimately gets its energy from the fuel. Turn up you AC, turn on the lights, turn up your music and you will use more fuel.

The energy it take to separate the water into H and O is greater than the energy released when recombining them - this is the second law of thermodynamics, it says you can’t, at best, get more energy out than you put in.

It is a horrific scam and some bastard is making millions. On my recent trip up and down the west coast of the USA with Greenpeace I have been approached by a dozen or so people in three weeks asking me about HHO, I am truly shocked how many people know about it and can only assume that a lot of people have bought into it. Were promoting solar renewable energy, these people know nothing about me or this blog, they are just asking questions and happen to ask me.

I cannot find any evidence beyond the anecdotal to back up HHO, none anywhere.

Going back to the basics of what I see on the websites (for the sake of argument, quoting water4gas), and what I saw you saying in your original article…

Website:
“You generate … energy by ENHANCING the EFFICIENCY of your poorly designed engine”

You (paraphrased):
“if the device operated as claimed the combustion cycle would start with water and end with water while extracting usable energy, thereby violating the first law of thermodynamics, a perpetual motion machine”

My understanding of facts given:

• Water is separated into components H and O, which are a combustible source. When Hydrogen and Oxygen react together, they release a high amount of energy whilst leaving H2O as the only exhaust material. I think we can agree that this is fact, based on hydrogen-cells which you have yourself mentioned should not be confused with the claimed technology.
• Next, cars use oxygen sensors to ensure the best mix of fuel and air to run the engine efficiently.
• The gases extracted from the proposed system are released into the air-intake system. This is simply adding a more combustible mixture to normal air. Have you ever seen a broken-down car being restarted by a mechanic squirting WD40 (or a similar product) into the air hose? It’s very common, as it creates a much more combustible environment than a simple fuel/air mixture does. Ask any mechanic - really!
• The electricity which is used to separate the water molecules is a by-product of the fuel’s combustion. You don’t run down your battery to unusable levels by having your lights on, or listening to music with the volume jacked up, do you? The separation method uses less power than a lightbulb, with very little wasted energy. It’s an efficient system.
• It’s well-known that an injection of N2O (Nitrous Oxide, or NOX to gear-heads) will temporarily improve the performance of the car - but not for too long because it becomes dangerous. A more passive mixture of another combustible gas would surely do the same without the dangerous consequences?

There are probably more things that I can say, but I think that says enough to at least let you consider that this may not be some horrifc scam that’s floating about and making some bloke millions. It’s probably worth a try - especially if you have the information on how to assemble one of these kits at your disposal without paying for it!

You asked what evidence was available? Do a Google search. I can’t find anything that says it’s actually a hoax or a scam except this blog page. Maybe my search terms are bad - I’m open to being proven wrong!

You also asked who was ‘we’? We is me. We is the Royal We. We is the viewing public. It’s a figure of speech - no need for paranoia.

I’ve heard of some guys in Cardiff who claim to have tested the system. I’m asking them if I can take a look. I’ll get back to you on it…

Phil